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Trident Tested
I asked this on Facebook yesterday, but so far haven't had any substantive replies, so I thought I'd try my luck here. Though I suspect that in both cases my friends lists may not be the ideal targets for the question.

If there's anyone out there who thinks that renewing Trident is a good idea, I'd love to know what the arguments for it are. The only three I can see are a) it provides employment - which I'm fairly certain could be done in more cost-effective ways, b) it provides a pretext for the UK having a permanent place on the UN Security Council, and c) it means the French haven't got one-up on us. The last two are pretty specious, surely?

So, what are the other arguments? And specifically, what are the arguments that apply to the UK but not to other constitutional democracies that might also wish to have an independent deterrent, and are as threatened if not more so than the UK? Like, shall we say, South Korea? Unless you think S. Korea should have the bomb, in which case feel free to say so.


Two riders: a) note that I'm asking not about NATO membership, but about Trident specifically; b) even if you don't believe in the arguments, if you know what they are I'd still like to hear them.

You must always keep in mind the Russian soviet-style threat. Always.
If you have some money keep Tridents, its wonderful deterrent arm.

Okay, but what about the rider to my question? If that argument is valid for the UK, why is not equally (or more) valid for other countries even more directly threatened - e.g. South Korea, Turkey, Ukraine, etc. etc.?

You have already it, one of the first constructed atomic weapon, win Cold War, and you are democratic country. Such countries like Russia and China with atomic weapon are potentially more aggressive and nondemocratic.

We and other countries you named were too poor to have such sophisticated weapon like Trident, and subject of nuclear proliferation plays also important role.

That's a fair account of how we got to this position, but it's not an argument for renewing Trident. If proliferation is to be avoided, then getting rid of superfluous weapons ought also to be welcomed. (If, indeed, they are superfluous. But that's what I'm asking.)